Very much a man, and in fact quite an old fashioned Italian sexist.

I guess it'll be interesting to ever find out! Don't you think "Yummi" is a strange name for a man to pick?

To us yes, but to Italians maybe not? He's always stated he's male. Although this is probably off-topic, I understand he's a male from Bologna with a strong interest in radical left wing politics (anti USA, anti Israel).

That's true about the name. Didn't think of that. Thanks for the info.

Italian women don't usually insult men by saying what they'd like to do to their sisters, which makes Yummi a man.

He said something like that to someone?!

You guys have me laughing --

My fast, unscientific, silly, and prejudiced opinion is that a quick look at the number of words/posts posted on this forum alone would tend to make me believe that the PGP posters in question are men.

LOL

So much for impressions, right? Now we know why the guilters are so wrong about everything. They can't admit their impressions are wrong.

On JREF a few months ago, he recounted his ordeal at the hands of the Genova police after the G8 riots, and how he made this insult to those police interrogating/beating him.

So the police in Genova beat him up, but he can't consider the possibility that the Perugia police may have used unorthodox methods in extracting 'confessions' or 'statements' from Knox and Sollecito in unrecorded interrogations without lawyers?

Great reasoning there. Genius at work.

To Anglo

Hey Anglo I am sorry that I disgree because first you are right that he takes challenges or be prepay by internet of crime wave and 2nd I also think this Mach is a creepy because even I updated my own theory of Amanda innoccent of freedom into a theory on my own way and he comes into my blog and disgree with me, and point out the challenges of simple task, and I say to him that I am not buying it period and yes Mach did had posted in here in the past and also he had use his challenges question to jump on to us when we explain our story different!!!

But mostly I deleted all of his comment through my blog. But right now I haven't updated my blog since last Febuary 18, 2012. Even I wonder why he keeping quiet right now, isn't his friend Prosecutor Mignini telling him to be quiet!!!

I just an't going to buy it from him period no way or no how even he use another name called: Yummi or maybe it should be called: yummy in my tummy!!!

From Tom

To Teddy

I agree with you even I do belive Yummi is a man. I would be shock if Yummi is a woman. But I just think it is a man. But anyway I could be wrong. But let the faith decied if Yummi is a man or a woman!!!

From Tom

Hi Scifi

I guess we all agree Machiavelli is wrong but, for a guilter, s/he puts up a good fight. I didn't know s/he posted on your blog. Whoever it is, it certainly is someone who wants to get the message out there.

Cheers

Anglo

Yes, Machiavelli posted here extensively, and I was one of the people who took a turn at arguing with him (it's a man). The problem is, he writes these huge posts that go around and around in circles, makes stuff up, etc. After awhile, it becomes apparent that you are arguing with someone who is intransigent, and will spin things in any way, as long as Amanda and Raffaele are guilty in the end. Both here and at JREF, he has been caught in contradictions, but he just denies it when you catch him. Once you cut through all the superfluous BS, the bottom line is that he is convinced Amanda is guilty because of her "lies" (which are mostly in his mind), and because of that, all evidence points to her, and no logical argument will be listened to. I concluded it is a waste of time. He denies Stefanoni did anything wrong or lied, he denies that Mignini or Comodi did anything wrong, ever. It's such a ridiculous argument that no rational person would agree with it, but since you have to wade so deep in the muck to find what the actual argument is, it's really not a great exercise unless you enjoy endless circular discussions. Unfortunately, Mach/Yummi is the only guilter willing to actually defend his arguments and discuss them with us, so if anyone wants to go around in circles with him, give it a shot (although he only appears periodically, on random forums. JREF is the current preference).

My personal gut feeling is that he works for Maresca - he became particularly incensed on the JREF thread when there was sharp criticism over the way Maresca displayed the crime scene photos of Meredith's body.

My impression of Machiavelli is male and The Machine/HarryRag female. With Rose I just can't decide. Does it matter?

No! Just keep up the great contributions!

It probably doesn't matter but I always more or less without thinking assign a sex to each poster. Also an age, come to think of it. I assume everyone is 40-ish to 50-ish (don't know why).

I know, I know! [waving frantically]

The simple reason is that most of us try to write in sentences rather than textspeak.

Rudy stated that the window in Filomena's room was not broken when he left. IMO, this points at his guilt because it tells me that he is covering his own butt. How would he know if the window in FILOMENA'S room was broken or not? Did he look at all the windows in the house when he was there with Meredith? Is there something I don't know that would cause him to give that answer in honesty?

All this depends on when Rudy said this (while still in Germany?) and which papers he was reading.

Some papers were initially reporting was that the window which was broken (implying also, broken into) was Meredith's room. I think this was the way some early prognosticators were trying to reconcile a murder behind a locked door.

What did Rudy know and when did he know it?

He says he searched the apartment after Meredith said her money was missing (presumably to account for any finger prints of his which might be found) and as he was the last to leave, I guess he could have known Filomena's window was not broken.

To Anglo

Hey Anglo, yes we all agree that Mach is wrong of the guilt. But their is more into that mess. I think that Mach is more of agruement of making us to go around in cirlces and even I an't going to buy his story no matter what he or she said. Because I won't listen and 2nd I Mach is like a 20 question aka Twlight zone theory. I don't do that. I go by my own theory of crime wave, of how I point the crime. I also talked it into my blog of how I point out the crime and he goes his own way and I do agrue with him. But I deleted all those comment because A: it not worth it and B: I can care less. Because I only go by my own theory of how crime fiction works into a story!!!

From Tom

Ok thanks

I think you're definitely right about him/her going round and round in circles. I am never sure whether the gain will repay the labour in trying to figure out whats/he is saying.

It's like trying to argue with The Machine/Harry Rag who will simply repost his list of "overwhelming evidence against Knox," one of which is the long since discredited mixed-blood....

Or arguing with Stint7 who will say it always come back to, "All the lies Knox told, regardless of the DNA,"....

Or arguing with Nadeau who will cycle back to, "Regardless of guilt or innocence, we won't know anything until Amanda tells us what she REALLY knows...."

Or arguing with Peggy Ganong/Andrea Vogt who regards this as Knox's obvious guilt being lost in a vast, Italian/American international controversy.....

Me? I am close to moving on..... everyone else seems to have moved on.....

I think it is possible that the majority of people read only the headlines, and outdated ones at that. And then turn around and display their ignorance to the cyber world. The "knife" is old news, yet I see the uneducated professing Ak/RS guilt because of it. First impressions are important. Why? Because many folks are not capable of getting to the 2nd impression.

I want to move on. But what else is as interesting as this?

Yep, born and bred in Münster. However Carnival follows at the end of 40 days of lent. Having been good for all that time, all those good resolutions go out the windows and everyone catches up by splurging for 3 days of boisterous merriment. Then exhaustion sets in and the coffers of the breweries have been restocked for the long summer ahead.

Prost!

Prost (...und das am Aschermittwoch...)

Rudy mentioned this during the skype call to his friend. You are right, the papers did initially report that it was Meredith's room that was broken into. The Defense pointed out that Rudy could not have known this information due to these early reports. Of course he could know because he was at the cottage and admits being there but I would agree with Jstanz that this is very telling and I think he's trying to cover his butt.

Rudy: Yes, but then, after, though, from what I've read someone else came, because when I left the window wasn't broken Giacomo. The window of the house, that window out front wasn't broken.

Giacomo Benedetti: And you think it's important about the window and the money that wasn't there anymore?

Rudy: Sure, it means someone broke it and it wasn't me.

Oh. Someone else broke the window out front. The stagers of the burglary, perhaps?

Amanda and Raffaelle, who you were partying with that night? What time did you meet them again, and where? And what time did you all go to the cottage? And how did they know you did burglaries, since they don't really know you? And who was it who killed Meredith? And why did you sexually assault her? And what time did you leave?

His lies are incredible and frankly sickening. Especially the part in which he recalls Meredith clinging to him tightly as he was trying in vain to stop the bleeding. Insane really how he gets a free pass with the guilters when you consider just how many times he has blatantly lied and changed his version of events. More double standards though.

Even more disgusting is his story of Meredith and Amanda arguing over stolen money from Meredith's room which Amanda was supposed to have stolen.

And Rudy Guede never claimed he was in some bizarre group sex situation. No evidence, no statements, have ever corroborated this insane theory. No statements have ever mentioned staging a burglary. No statements and no evidence about a crime scene cleanup. None of these bizarre and highly unlikely features of the crime have any sort of backup.

Yep, born and bred in Münster. However Carnival follows at the end of 40 days of lent. Having been good for all that time, all those good resolutions go out the windows and everyone catches up by splurging for 3 days of boisterous merriment. Then exhaustion sets in and the coffers of the breweries have been restocked for the long summer ahead.

Prost![/quote]
Prost (...und das am Aschermittwoch...)[/quote]

Sorry OT...

Do you know any Dippolds or maybe Dippolt and Wendel was the last name of my grandmother and I remember best her whole day spent on Tuesday (Fat Tuesday) making hundreds of Küchle for us 19 grandchildren. I think her recipe is hundreds of years old passed down through her family...I haven't had a decent one in in over 30 years now. My grandfather use to joke that hers were best because she formed the center with her bare knee...

One other thing she made for us was something I can not even find the name for...it sounded like bach in a dle...all in one word bacinadel...it was dough fried but with caraway seeds inside and coarse salt outside...these were snacks to have with beer. Along with black radish and more salt...other specialties that only came from her was sultz (sp) (pigs feet sort of a dish with vinegar) and panhause which she made from boiled bones and then mixed the broth with corn meal and buckwheat flour which then was fried up in lard (no wonder I have high blood pressure) and for lent our Friday meal was potato pancakes and canned tomatoes from her garden...and every meal had beer and we were allowed to drink some by the age of 12. I suppose they would put my grandparents in jail today...

This was grams Kuchle ...just missing the dusting of powder sugar

Randy - my Mother was from Germany and she made THE most FANTASTIC potato pancakes! We used to have them every Friday for dinner, too.

If anyone wants a lesson in the ironic use of the word "Not", then this piece is for you.

It is: Foxy Knoxy tells the truth at last – Knot

See: http://davidkesslerauthor.com/?p=1778#comment-2466

The article is based on Massei-like conclusions to the case.

One last one - on 17 Feb the Daily Mail just couldn't help itself - however, the comments below the piece actually save it!

Foxy's $4m smile: Ecstatic Amanda Knox celebrates lucrative book deal with her new man (and prepares for spending spree by donating old belongings to Salvation Army)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102638/Ecstatic-Amanda-Knox-celebrates-lucrative-book-deal-new-man-James-Terrano.html#ixzz1nAVO99m4

Will this ever stop?

Apparently the BIG revelation from the Daily Mail is that Knox "went for lunch". With her boyfriend. Wow.

And the Münsterland.[/quote]

Yep, born and bred in Münster. However Carnival follows at the end of 40 days of lent. Having been good for all that time, all those good resolutions go out the windows and everyone catches up by splurging for 3 days of boisterous merriment. Then exhaustion sets in and the coffers of the breweries have been restocked for the long summer ahead.

Prost![/quote]
Prost (...und das am Aschermittwoch...)[/quote]

OOPS

My catholic upbringing failed me again. First carnival, then 40 days of lent, then easter. My old religious teacher at the Gymnasium Laurentianum will want my Abitur certificate back. Best I go back to study Homer.

Yeah, you has me worried there as I have stood freezing in a small German town watching the carnival pass by in Feb wondering what on earth these crazy Germans are doing organising a parade at this time if year? Haven't they seen the Rio version?

Anyways, I am growing suspicious about all these Germans popping up out of nowhere.

J'accuse:

e740jph (btw. Could you please explain that choice of 'name' - are you in fact some High School bot being run as an ongoing experiment in the computer science lab?)

Hans (who thought he had kept it well hidden but we have been on to him for some time now )

Jstanz

Randy

Bruce (who outed himself when he migrated from Fisher to Fischer and now shares a surname with one of my heroes, the late great Bobby)

Sarah (Snyder I believe) and .... er

moi - German surname

Any more crazy Germans out there? - now's the time while the possibility of amnesty remains.

ETA having just realised e740jph probably got his (I have arbitrarily assigned the male sex) username and password mixed up, I am now heading off to his bank to make a withdrawal

Good luck with that, I used to write some security software for a bank here

No problem. I'll get Hans on it. He can figure anything out.

Watch out for the fairies in the early morning along the river Ems. Hans knows all about them and I grew up right next to the river. You be careful now!

And everyone thinks Germans are so serious and sensible, yet they hold Carnivals in freezing snowdrifts and maintain a population of river fairies. I am here to tell ya - they are totally nuts.

I take offense, Sir! Germans may be nuts, but at least we don't loose our bolts! As to the fairies, look yonder, across the Irish Sea or north up the Highlands. They moved there because there is no smog. Next, my glove will be coming off, Sir!

OK, enough play, how can we help Frank Sfarzo. He really needs our help NOW!

Good point. Back to business. Thanks for the wake up.

In that case, time for me to come clean: I, too, have a German surname, though I don't actually speak a word of the language, and have never been to the country. My paternal grandfather was a middling prominent anti-Nazi Sudetenlander whose evacuation was arranged by the British Government of the time.

Back to the case:

One thing that persistently nags at me is how the times of various events are so fluid. Times of the meal with the Brit girls (over an hour discrepancy); times of walking back; times of witness "sightings"; times of the "screams"; times of the computer activity; times of phone activity; times of cash register activity at LeChic; time of death; and on and on. All of those factoids should have evolved into a semi-coherent narrative after four years.

Who had a vested interest in keeping times open? Mignini and Minions.

Using these incredibly loose times, they could accuse anyone at any time and it all came down to who could afford to pay for the privilege of persecution. My own opinion is that this whole fiasco was a shakedown.

I removed the embedded quote restriction on the forum. You should now be able to respond to an unlimited number of quotes in a post. It was restricted to 3. Let me know if anyone has any problems replying to comments using the quote feature.

You think that substitutes for an arcade?

Any progress on the vomiting and jerking off smileys?

Don't remember anyone suggesting the latter TBH

Thank you, Bruce. Still don't know if I can make it work the way I want it to. Some people seem to be able to quote sentences and I haven't figured that out yet.

Don't need more emotis -- don't use the ones we have very often.

We now have a portal and chat but I see no need for an arcade. All protests will be ignored! (Unless Sarah tells me otherwise of course! )

A brutally repressive regime will destroy itself one day.

Leon the Trot

Emoticons were cool at one time until PMF destroyed them. Maybe we will eventually add our own signature smileys (I like the blue ones). It is simply too difficult at this point to undo the damage caused to the reputation of all smileys by the systematic abuse we have witnessed at PMF. There is also an unfortunate epidemic occurring with smileys taking their own lives due to the abuse they have endured. It is very sad.

From what I hear, the smileys are trying to band together in order to overthrow their current PMF captors and may eventually be able to get a fresh start. Until then we will not be upgrading.

Emoticons were cool at one time until PMF destroyed them. Maybe we will eventually add our own signature smileys (I like the blue ones). It is simply too difficult at this point to undo the damage caused to the reputation of all smileys by the systematic abuse we have witnessed at PMF. There is also an unfortunate epidemic occurring with smileys taking their own lives due to the abuse they have endured. It is very sad.

From what I hear, the smileys are trying to band together in order to overthrow their current PMF captors and may eventually be able to get a fresh start. Until then we will not be upgrading.

I am going to have to start a 'save Leon' movement right away in that case.

I agree! Everybody and everything that could be manipulated was manipulated!

I like these guys (don't tell anyone)

Everything was fluid, flexible and ambiguous. Witnesses, phone records, computer records, statements, forensics.

The big problem is that they didn't take the temperature of the body to pinpoint the time of death until about 11 hours after the body was discovered. This is just one of many forensic foul-ups which have characterized this investigation.

Do you know who gave the order not to take the body temperature ?

To Bruce

Hey Bruce we can use those pictures in here!!!

From Tom

Isn't it odd that prosecutors are already involved at this early stage at the crime scene, directing matters? This must be an Italian thing, I presume.

The prosecution has the lead of the investigation in Italy!

Prosecutors are immediately involved in any crime: they direct the Police during the investigations.

Theoretically, according to the greatest blunder of the 1989 reform, they should also search evidence favorable to suspects (often soon to be defendants), in practice any Prosecutor should split in two mystical entities, one working for the prosecution and one for the defense and with the same determination pursue investigative tracks and evidence collection both in favor and against the suspects/defendants...clearly an absurdity.

That's one of the main problems: How to separate the different responsabilities in investigation, how to assure evidence collection in favour and against suspects, how to control the different actors.

So Mignini directed a fantasy, deliberately messing up any factual data from the crime scene, so he could "fit up" (isn't that a UK expression?) whomever he wanted -- none of those pesky little facts would get in the way. He could leave everything open until he got the credit reports on all the surrounding people and then choose his prey.

I believe that it is one way to control situations (and one of the characteristics of Mignini) : Do eveything to have all options open on your side so to never lose control!

But the Transporter only does that when its broken.

Italian MPs in 1989 exceeded even Star Trek!

Ridiculous really. As though the temperature and hence time of death isn't as important, or maybe more important, than other forensics. In any case, how much damage was Lalli going to do to the scene, compared to the damage of not reading the temperature.

Of course, the cynic in me thinks Mignini did this deliberately so that time of death becomes vague. That allows him to twist it any way he wants. Could he have thought that one through right from the start? Why not. It was hardly his first case. All those years of experience must have taught him something about "managing" evidence. It was all rather convenient that the TOD became so fluid. I'm not a conspiracy theorist - honest - but I wouldn't put anything past these guys.

Seriously, Lalli didn't get to take the temperature till the early hours of the next morning. I think it was 11 hours later. Surely, at some point they could have let him have a go. But then Lalli and Mignini are not exactly bosom buddies (e.g. they disagreed on how many knives were involved). Stafanoni on the other hand ... she kicks with the right foot; her message could be controlled.

Can someone check if Raffaele is still in Bari, or if he is already in L.A.?

Interesting article about false confessions by innocent people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/opini ... ss.html?hp

SEVERAL months after Antonio Ramirez was shot seven times in Oakland, Calif., the police picked up a frightened 16-year-old named Felix, isolated him in an interrogation room late at night without a lawyer, rejected his pleas to see his mother, and harangued him until he began to tell them what he thought they wanted to hear. . .

Once the police had badgered a rough murder confession from Felix, they taped it. Yet the confession lacked a critical detail — one that officers neglected to feed to him. Felix learned it three days later in court when he was handed the charge sheet and saw the date of the crime. He stared at the document and realized that he had the perfect alibi: On the day that Antonio Ramirez was gunned down, Felix had been locked up in a juvenile detention . . . .

If you have never been tortured, or locked up and verbally threatened, you may find it hard to believe that anyone would confess to something he had not done. Intuition holds that the innocent do not make false confessions. What on earth could be the motive? To stop the abuse? To curry favor with the interrogator? To follow some fragile thread of imaginary hope that cooperation will bring freedom?

Yes, all of the above. Psychological studies of confessions that have proved false show an overrepresentation of children, the mentally ill or mentally retarded, and suspects high on drugs or drunk on liquor. They are susceptible to suggestion, eager to please authority figures, disconnected from reality or unable to defer gratification. Children often think, as Felix did, that they will be jailed if they keep up their denials and will get to go home if they just go along with the interrogator. Mature adults of normal intelligence have also confessed falsely after being manipulated.facility for violating probation in a case of theft. . . .

In experiments and in interrogation rooms, adults who are told convincing fictions have become susceptible to memories of things that never happened. Rejecting their own recollections through what psychologists call “memory distrust syndrome,” they are tricked by phony evidence into accepting their own fabrications of guilt — an “internalized false confession.”




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And in Amanda Knox's case, she was young, exhausted, hungry, thirsty -- and barely spoke the language.

Its not for lack of trying...Lalli was there early and he wanted to check body temp but the police in the form of Stefanoni was on her way from Rome and apparently ordered no action until after she arrived to put order to things...yea right like that happened.

It has been a prosecution tactic to leave things loose and unstructured. Since Mignini controls the press he has no worries to present even a reasonable time line that is based on facts and that proves guilt. No one apparently in Italy cares or is even bothered that the police and Mignini change "facts" as they see fit...and when they need time such as when Toto decided to state that AK and RS were seen from 9 until 11:30 in the plaza...no problem ...we simply fire Lalli and get someone to say the TOD was likely 11:30 and as if dumb could somehow get stupider then we have Massei saying ...no, no the TOD is later lets speculate 11:45.

No newspapers investigate or even question this crazy behavior...in fact it is ignored it seems...Do they think the whole world will simply ignore these repeated strange circumstances forever? Is every Italian reporter muzzled by these slander laws? I would like to think that is impossible but when we know how many times Mignini used these extra charges to silence lawyers, family, newspapers, Google even...there can be little doubt that something is very wrong here! But this story has not seemed to catch on. Even when a huge organization like CPJ gets involved to the extent of sending letters to the Italian government warning them about the abuse of Frank and other reporters and how they must look into what is going on there in Perugia ...nothing! One would think some news agency might be interested in checking out this story of abuse since they have the bells ringing and lights flashing already...do an investigative report about this issue. Can a prosecutor from a small Italian city silence the world? That would seem to be a joke if I didn't realize the truth of what has gone on to keep the truth from coming out...but we have nothing. No questions about this ridiculous TOD , nothing about a park bum, even the defense lawyers are afraid to say the words...my client was hit on the head by the police...let alone putting up a strong offense to show this is very likely what happened. I hope they do better in the slander case...

Call Giobbi and remind him of his testimony about a scream and while hes up there also remind him of certainty that he ordered Amandas and Raff both in the night of the 5th. Then when the other police still claim that only RS was called in let the judges deal with who is lying...it has to be either Giobbi or the others who say no, so question why they need to lie about this? And since we are questioning liars lets call Lumumba and find out why he said what he said to the Daily Mail and does he fully understand that his description of police behavior fits exactly with AK description and that they were both abused by these police and prosecutor ...yes we know the prosecutor was there for these interrogations...Giobbi told us that too.

I keep thinking that someone will blow the lid off this system that allowed this case to become what it did...It had world attention at one point, but I saw a fairly recent 60 Minutes piece (from late 2011) and they mentioned Perugia...it was a story about truffles. And even that business was rife with corruption...it seems the collectors are lacing their finds with 30 to 40 % cheap Chinese truffles that taste like wood. And that is what 60 Minutes had to say about Perugia Italy. Maybe this Perugia mafia will get away with it. The Italians dont seem interested in the truth...how can they ignore so many odd matters ...is the whole country just a tabloid society who dont care about truth and seek only the unfounded dirt? Even the Costa Concordia captain had the blond girls bikini in his quarters. How did they know this? Did this girl sew her name into her bikini in case she lost it?

Italian pride seems a certain issue in both of these cases. I wonder if the truth of that will ever occur to them?

Latest from Frank Sfarzo:
(I hope any criticism of discussions taking place is taken in a positive way. After all, I too have strayed.)

Since he has given me permission to post, here is our latest exchange of e-mails:

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Peter Hoemberg (e740JPH) to Frank Sfarzo

Bettina just sent me a private message expressing her worries about your safety. So now I am again worried too. I don't trust the bastards at all and I think they could quite easily arrange for an 'accident' to happen. I know you are used to being tough, perhaps some precautions would be wise.

The folks at IIP all say supportive things about you, but sometimes I think they are so wrapped up in their theories and details that they loose sight of the big picture. Which, in my view has to focus on the 'cleanup' and removal of those responsible for the mess. I think Amanda will be fine now, her international standing has grown enough that it in itself provides a measure of protection. I actually think Raffaele may be more at risk.

However, it is you I am worried about.

If you have the time, give me your thoughts.

Peter Hoemberg

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Frank Sfarzo to Peter Hoemberg (e740JPH)

My worst moment was when they came to my place. Did I tell you?

They weighted over me, and when I told them I couldn't breathe they weighted more, so I understood that they had came to kill me. Luckily a neighbor showed up and saw them, which saved my life. Also I managed to scream to call the carabinieri, so they were worried that the carabinieri could really come.
Then they brought me to the hospital and tried to have me declared crazy. That would have sent me into one of those places form which you don't come back, if you know what I mean. Luckily the psychiatrist refused, and that saved my life a second time.

Then the CPJ came to know about it and denounced the case.
So, I guess they wouldn't do it again. Especially because they lost the big case, and Raffaele's lawyer already announced he will sue them. They probably understood next year they will be before a judge, and they wouldn't worsen their situation.
Obviously, if the conviction of Amanda and Raffaele was confirmed, everything would be completely different, I would have been arrested immediately. As today I would have already died in jail (from "natural causes" of course, as it always happens)...

So, the CPJ is following the case, ready to denounce again if something should happen to me. That's why they wouldn't try to kill me, they wouldn't try to cause an accident. I think they would not even seize the new PerugiaShock, that would make them very unpopular. (However, to be sure I don't take the car anymore...).
So, they wouldn't openly do things against me but certainly they wouldn't make any discount to me whenever I should have something for them to intervene, which actually I have.
It's a but complicated, but I try to tell you in short since you want to know.
(edited)
Btw, In short I'm gonna be evicted soon. Hardly the police intervenes in case of evictions, but in my case they would probably be so pronto...

So, my situation is a bit difficult: as I told you nobody takes my articles or takes me to work, and I could hardly open a business at the moment. Also: I'm facing trial, and I have to relocate, with tons of furniture and documents to move.

But I'm resisting. That's why I'm telling you that you guys who are sending me some money and supporting me are being very helpful, are literally saving me.

At least I could give some advance to my lawyer and I hope to get out of that trouble. That's what I need to do now. My trial is now only seeing technical hearings. But by the end of next month it should take place for real. I need to be acquitted and then one by one I'll solve all my problems.

I'll finish the complaint I'm preparing to have Piggy and his gang tried. I'll write the movie about the case and I'll propose it to someone. Maybe I'm gonna move over there. I don't know, we'll see.

For Raffaele don't worry. Now he is rich and famous, not as much as Amanda but he's ok. Probably he is already in LA working with the English journalist at his book. Only I am still in trouble. You guys are saving me. And when I'll be safe we'll do something great, promised.
See you later, thanks Peter.

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Peter Hoemberg (e740JPH) to Frank Sfarzo

Thanks, Frank!

You are welcome to stay here in British Columbia. Nice large space, high speed internet, close to Seattle. You could run the 'Shock' from here ...., but you would be isolated from your sources. Maybe a good place to write the movie script.

How much of this info can I 'bleed out' to a few carefully selected supporters, people who know how to get things moving while keeping their mouth shut on the details? I have to find a way to stop them from picking the details of the Kercher case to death before we have another body on the street. Some ideas would be helpful. I am particularly thinking of Sarah at IIP.

Please advise.

Peter

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Frank Sfarzo to Peter Hoemberg (e740JPH)

Maybe I'll manage to go to Seattle by July, we'll see, if Amanda throws a party, maybe I'll manage to stop by your town, and I'll try to do something wherever there will be an occasion, if there will be an occasion...

If you want you can share these things with the others, just I wouldn't like to bore people with my troubles.
I hope to come out soon with good news. Next month my trial should start for real and I hope it ends up well. Then it will be Piggy's time to face trial. But... one thing per time.
Now it's my time, and with all other troubles together it's quite difficult. Amanda, Edda and Court are still facing trial but at least they are rich now and even if they get convicted (which is not gonna happen) it's another country so, they can say who cares. It will be only worth a laugh for them.
For me it's more difficult and more serious.
But I'm lucky that you and others are being very helpful. You are saving me. We will win this battle completely and next year it will be the time of Piggy and his gang.

Alright, Peter, thanks.

Thank You, Randy - right on the mark! This is a direction our discussions should be following. Peter (e740JPH)

Not only the media, why hasn't some Italian legislator and/or supreme court judge started a campaign to reveal the evil that took place in Perugia? Why hasn't Stefanoni been charged with something? Why hasn't . . .

Because in Italy things are usually done in the background.

There are of course scandals and very advertised inquiries, but there is also a more subtle way of acting, that maybe can be difficult to understand to American minds who think that "dirty clothes" must be washed in the open, Watergate style.

This way of acting is well rooted in Italian history, even in Roman times, there is a notorious saying in latin which goes as this: "promoveatur ut amoveatur", that is "that he be promoted in order that he is removed".

This line of acting preserves a facade of support, even vocal, but behind it, as we say, "knives are flying low" and everything is done in order to put the target of such attention in a place where he/she can't do much damage, all with an apparent sympathetic smile.

So maybe something is already in motion, but signals are not and will not be evident: I seriously doubt that anyone will have to face charges, more probably some will be "moved to other tasks" in due time.

Although Stefanoni lied to the court and tryed to prevent the independent review accessing the lab evidence, I have some sympathy for her. She probably thought she was "doing her job". Her boss was a consultant for the prosecution. Looking back at her actions, we can consider them criminal, but I doubt that she had any malice at the time, she was just "doing her best" to find evidence, which is her job. Later on she lied to cover up the deficiencies.

I don't think Stefanoni should be prosecuted. Instead Italian forensic laboratories need to stick to proper procedures, international rules, implement negative controls, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't already happening behind the scenes.

Hmm.. but on the other hand, her lies nearly sent two innocent people to jail for 25 years. Maybe I'm being too easy on her. A few months in jail for perjury would be appropriate. I don't think that will happen though.

If she committed perjury here (England), geebee, she could expect several years in prison. The maintenance of justice demands high standards of honesty and probity and because these are so easily subverted and the consequences so serious (8 years in jail in our case) punishment should have a substantial deterrent element, in my opinion anyway.

If we can't trust the forensic police then we're all screwed. Think how much it has taken to reverse the findings on the knife and bra clasp. They spent fours years in prison mainly because of those findings. The media report, "his/her DNA was found", as though it is a complete, impartial, absolute fact. No one ever questions the circumstances under which it was found, or whether there are ulterior motives, or even if the scientist made a simple error (which we know happens).

Because the consequences are so serious, lying as a forensic scientist is a hugely serious crime. It undermines everything, and opens everything to corruption. It is also why forensic science labs absolutely have to be independent from any prosecution, police or judicial influence.

PS OMG I've just seen the new emoticon panel. Hmmm.

An interesting interview with Raffaele Sollecito's new co-author. Here's a bit -- there's more at the link.

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/ra ... ial_b47292

Q: What will Raffaele Sollecito’s book show us that we haven’t seen in the media frenzy surrounding the Amanda Knox case?

A: It’s a rule of thumb that prosecutors dictate media coverage in a criminal trial. They are the ones who bring the charges, and are either vindicated or successfully challenged in court; the texture and the substance of the defendants’ stories tend to get lost. And so it was here. The media coverage focused largely on the yes/no question of whether Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were guilty.

The mechanics of the case from the inside — how they were interrogated, why they were prosecuted even after the most obvious perpetrator, Rudy Guede, was caught and convicted, the behind-the-scenes haggling between lawyers, defendants, expert witnesses, court officials and others — have been revealed only in glimpses, if at all.

Both Amanda’s book and Raffaele’s book are sure to shed light on how and why this grotesque miscarriage of justice arose. I would venture to say Raffaele’s story is even more absorbing than Amanda’s, because it was his family which orchestrated the detective work that made it possible to dismantle the case against both of them piece by piece. It was a high-wire act from beginning to end, and it’s a thrilling tale.

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Q: Sollecito will also have to deal with a number of readers who thought he was guilty before he ever had a chance for a proper trial. What will your book offer these critics?

Not only will the book leave no doubt about Raffaele’s innocence; everything Raffaele and his family have to tell, backed by previously unpublished documents in the case, suggests that his incarceration had almost nothing to do with the actual evidence but had another motivation entirely — to be revealed when the book comes out.

There is a saying in English that amounts to the same thing: "... to kick somebody upstairs".

I have been working on understanding PCR DNA analysis techniques, to understand the knife blade result better.

I have made a wiki page documenting what I learnt at

http://kermit-analysis.wikispaces.com/DNA-analysis

I will probably to continue to work on this, corrections and comments are always welcome.

Sounds to me like he's going to name and shame Mignini and the Flying Squad.

Even after all this time, I hadn't heard that part of his story. Wow.

Guede's own words make me even more certain about how his attack on Meredith culminated, which I've maintained for the past couple of years;

she was on her hands and knees, Guede straddling her, when he delt the killing knife blow, she then collapsed completely and grabbed his right shin, pressing the wound tightly against it.

I wonder if any one else feels a little like the character of Will Graham in "Manhunter" ("Red Dragon"), getting into the head of the antagonist, having to think like him, because I now visualise a truly horrible tableau;

Guede stood for some seconds enjoying the sensation of Meredith's grasp, the very warmth of her blood against his skin, and waited some seconds before he even tried to extricate himself.

This explains why his pant leg became completely saturated in blood, leaving him NO CHOICE but to rinse it out - the soaked hem was continuously smearing blood on his white trainer.

I really do wish Guede ill.

Right. That's on my shopping list!

But her job isn't to find evidence, it is to perform tests and report the findings of the testing. I contend that her 'doing her best' to find evidence and subsequent lying to cover up testing deficiencies are grounds for criminal charges.

I understand that, at best, we should expect to read that she has been promoted to some corner office far away from any testing lab where she can no longer threaten the freedom of any innocent individual. Maybe that office will be next to Mignini's, Commodi's, Giobbi's . . Wouldn't it be fitting if their lackey who gets the coffee and polishes their shoes is Maresca?

geebee2,

Do you have any specific questions?

I'd quite like to know if you agree with my estimate of the amount of material that caused the contamination



Do you think 2 millionths of a pico-gram is about right?
The 1000 base pairs estimate is derived from 20-30 fragments each containing about 30-50 base pairs.

Oh, and I haven't yet fully understood how the "evenness" of the peaks is quantified. What does



mean. How is the heterozygous balance calculated, and what does it mean? I just haven't got round to understanding this yet. I'm having a bit of trouble finding a definition of this that I can understand.

This
http://marketing.appliedbiosystems.com/ ... Corner.pdf
is something I'd like to understand better.

BY ANDREA VOGT, SPECIAL TO SEATTLEPI.COM
Monday, December 14, 2009

"This is the simplest and fairest criminal trial one could possibly think of in terms of evidence," said Stefano Maffei, lecturer in criminal procedure at the University of Parma. He has also lectured at Harvard Law School, has Ph.D in law from Oxford and is currently a guest lecturer at University of Pacific McGeorge School of Law. "There were 19 judges who looked at the facts and evidence over the course of two years, faced with decisions on pre-trial detention, review of such detention, committal to trial, judgment on criminal responsibility. They all agreed, at all times, that the evidence was overwhelming."

The court's sentence of Knox and Sollecito was mild, Maffei said, with the jury taking into account the facts of the crime along with her clean criminal record. He noted that a similar reduction in sentence did not happen with co-defendant Rudy Guede, even though he agreed to a fast-track trial, which reduced his sentence from life to 30 years.

Maffei has posted more extensive comments on his Web site in an essay titled "Fair Trial, Powerful Evidence, Mild Sentence: Myth and Reality of the Knox Case."

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Wow!

Pai attention to the so called experts (first check) !

As Machiavelli let slip on JREF on Feb 17:

"Stefanoni is an expert called by the prosecution, he (sic) is there to find elements to help catch criminals. What do you expect her to do, to write down defence arguments?"

And as I replied, that's precisely the problem. You cannot have your forensic scientists as part of the prosecution and helping to "catch criminals". They should have no interest in guilt or innocence, simply in reporting the impartial facts as they find them. By saying they are "looking for elements to catch criminals", does that mean if they find exculpatory evidence they should hide it?? Forensic science cannot typically be evaluated by the layman or by the jury. If they say there's DNA, then we mostly have to believe them - the public and media certainly do. Hellman said as much as: his court is wholly unqualified to judge whether or not the prosecution or the defence DNA experts are correct. So he appointed his own independent experts to inform him.

According to C&V the initial testing on the knife (samples A,B,C; B supposedly showed Meredith's DNA on the blade) was done on Tuesday Nov 13 (page 55 komponisto/katy translation). The defence lawyers didn't get to see their clients till the Thursday 8th. That's less than 3 working days to get DNA experts in place. And in general not all clients will be able to get their own experts in place. i.e. we must be able to trust the scientific police. But you can't if their job is "looking for elements to catch criminals".

The other thing that struck me about C&V's report, the second phase of testing on the knife (samples D,E,F,G) was done on Dec 17 (page 55 komponisto/katy translation). That's the day before the second forensics blitz on the cottage on Dec 18. Does anyone else find that suspicious. Sollecito's family disproved the bedroom footprint a few days earlier and suddenly there's this whole new burst of forensic activity: the knife, the bra clasp. And lord, it's a miracle, they found something incriminating. Just another little coincidence. Independent and trustworthy? I don't think so.

Niccolo Machiavelli himself would be proud of his powerful descendants. He was from Florence by the way, less than a hundred miles up the road from Perugia.

One supplentary note : And as stipulates the europeen Convention on Human Rights signed by Italy: "Artcle 6 : Everyone charged with a criminal offence fas the the following minimum rights, point d) to examine or to have examined witnesses against him and to obtain the attendance and examinations of witnesses of his bahalf under the same conditions as witnesses against him."
And experts a clearly witnesses in a trial, so no question, counter-expertise should be allowed on demand of the defendants! This article is an enforcement of the rights of the defendant.

Yes, Machiavelli also acted like this made her actions justified and even admitted she had a strategy of holding back discovery from the defense, and seemed proud of that. Just unbelievable.

IIRC, Comodi made a similar comment in court that it didn't matter how they caught the criminals, only that the criminals were caught.

Ah yes - the Harry Callaghan school of law-enforcement ethics.